MCCARTHY: Speaker Pelosi has taken the unprecedented step of denying the minority party’s picks for the select committee on January 6. This represents something that has not happened in the House before for a select committee by the historian. It’s an egregious abuse of power. Pelosi has broken this institution, made it undeniable this panel has lost all legitimacy and credibility, and it shows exactly what I warned back in the beginning of January, that Pelosi would play politics with this. Pelosi has created a sham process. Unless Speaker Pelosi reverses course and seats all five Republicans, we will not participate. We will run our own investigation.
BUCK: Welcome back to the Clay Travis & Buck Sexton Show. January 6th Commission. You heard there Kevin McCarthy talking about the sham of this commission that Pelosi’s pulling together. Remember, she blocked Jim Banks, Representative Banks, and Congressman Jim Jordan. Clay, we’re having Congressman Jordan on tomorrow.
CLAY: Yeah. He’s just a fantastic guy, and he’s gonna be on with us in the second hour of the program. By the way, we just talked to Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren, and Jim Jordan is a big sports fan and also a Big Ten alum. But this goes to the incredible hypocrisy and sham investigation that is going on into the, in quotation marks, “insurrection,” Buck, right?
This is just designed to be a story that I think — at its best — for the Democratic Party going to distract from all the other failures that is going on with their leadership, and it is going to continue their theme of Republicans are dangerous; they want to destroy the democracy of the United States.
That’s really the theme of this, and if Jim Jordan is going to push back aggressively — which he would have, and probably make better arguments that many of the Democrats on this this committee — then they don’t want that battle to actually be taking place.
BUCK: The big problem, as I see it, with this, even apart from what obviously going to be an incredibly biased and politically charged effort to smear. The purpose of the January 6th Commission is to smear all Republicans, to undermine all conservatives — not the people who actually engaged in the riot, not just you hundred people that went too far. No, no. Everybody.
Anybody who is on the right gets lumped in with them so that they can create a narrative of, if you support, let’s say, oh, I don’t know, Donald Trump, were he to run again, or even to support the Republican Party that Donald Trump will be on the stump for, out there on the campaign trail supporting in the midterms, you were de facto supporting the insurrection. But, Clay, what’s so fascinating about this…
We can get into more of these details and also where we are with Biden and crime, which is a big problem for the Democrats. Discuss how they’re just full of it on crime. But a big problem they have is if they really want to use this as a commission for Congress, they’re gonna have to show us the thousands of hours collectively of surveillance footage inside the Capitol.
That they have and they will not release. Why? Why can’t we see what happened? Why can’t we know after why can’t we know who shot Ashli Babbitt? And why? What was the legal justification? Why can’t we see the communications between different members of Capitol Police.
And the hierarchy and other security organizations and agencies leading up to and the day of January 6th to see what the heck happened. We should be using this to see how could this going on. But, Clay, that’s not point of this was. In fact, they’re hiding the very reason that you would have such a commission, they’re hiding evidence that we shouldn’t from them.
JORDAN: The Democrats normalize anarchy. They normalize rioting and looting. And when rioters and looters attacked our law enforcement personnel — when rioters and looters destroyed small businesses — what did Democrats do? They went out and raised money to bail ’em out of jail, and they continue to talk about defunding the police, and in fact did that in all these major urban areas, which is why crime is up!
So they don’t want to talk about that stuff. They just want to be partisan. They just want to continue to attack the former president. They want to play their political games. So I applaud leader McCarthy for saying we’re gonna do our job. We’re gonna continue to work and get to the bottom and answer the questions that the leader raised, the questions that, frankly, the American people want answers to.
BUCK: Strong words by Jim Jordan there. Welcome back to the Clay and Buck Show. And what the congressman is saying is obvious to all of this. I still remember what I refer to as “the purge” night here in New York City where you had a rampaging Antifa mob on Fifth Avenue, main shopping district; breaking store windows, looting. They broke into department stores, broke into cell phone stores, stole stuff, and just running rampant all night long.
These are Biden voters, okay? These are Democrats, leftists. This happened at different times in different places all over the United States — and if you’re really thinking about insurrection, if you’re thinking about insurgency, you would look at what happened and say, “This is a way to pressure not just a government, pressure a society to collapse,” Clay, to start to undermine law enforcement, to make it impossible to do their job.
To create a culture of lawlessness and to make people afraid in their own neighborhoods unless they go along with the mob. There has been no accountability for that whatsoever. The media pretends like it didn’t happen. The BLM uprising of 2020 was a national disgrace. But we can’t talk about that. Only January 6 riot. That’s the only riot.
CLAY: Not even all the riots that took place all summer, Buck, but every major city, they had boarded up all of the city for Election Day and Election Night. They weren’t doing that if Joe Biden won. They were doing that if Donald Trump had won, and so this idea — and I think Jim Jordan nailed it. If you want to believe in lawfulness, which I think most of our listeners do, and certainly you and I do, then you have to apply the law evenly to everyone, which is what I’ve heard most Republicans say!
Look, if you are going to prosecute people for breaking the law as a protest turns into a riot, that is what American police and American district attorneys should do. But pretending that the January 6th incident was anywhere near as dangerous or long lasting or significant as the BLM riots of the summer is a fundamental untruth. So on the one hand, as Jim Jordan said, Democrats were bailing out everybody who was being arrested during the BLM protests. Can you imagine the reaction if Donald Trump were raising money to bail out people involved in January 6?
BUCK: Let’s look at that juxtaposition for a second because, yes, you’re absolutely correct. But it even goes in the far opposite direction where you have people who have been held in solitary confinement —
BUCK: — allegedly for their own protection. But actually when you see the court filings, which I have read, you will see (or some of them), you will see that the judges say, we can’t let them out because of the threat of another insurrection and in at least one case, the so-called QAnon shaman, it’s clear the guy has —
CLAY: Severe mental issues.
BUCK: Mental health issues. Keeping a person in solitary confinement as though he’s a threat is inhumane. But the frauds at CNN, the Washington Post, the New York Times, the ACLU — the left-wing narrative apparatus, not even media apparatus — has nothing to say about this other than, “It’s necessary to protect our sacred democracy.” Something else that comes to mind, Clay, this plot against Whitmer, which was used right before the election.
You remember. “Oh, my gosh! Whitmer was pro-lockdown and now there’s a plot against her of all these people.” We find out a dozen FBI informants and/or agents involved. One of the FBI agents in the alleged Whitmer plot has now been arrested for severe spousal abuse, assaulting his wife, after taking her to a swingers party. So this individual up on the stand is going to be quite a scene, I can tell you.
CLAY: That’s a cross-examination I’d like to watch.
CLAY: I mean, you want to talk about a heck of a situation. But to your point, the entire process by which this was sold, as if this were a well-organized plot designed to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer, designed with military precision? All of these things which basically we had told to us, it looks more and more like the government in many ways manufactured this entire story.
BUCK: I’m having a harder time when conservatives in good faith come up to me at events or they see me in the street and they want to talk to me and they’ll have a theory. Maybe you could even say it’s a conspiracy theory. But they’ll have a theory about something; they’ll say to me, “Buck, not only do I think the FBI had informants on January 6 on Capitol Hill…” Switching from Whitmer to Capitol Hill January 6 for a second.
“I think the FBI really spurred this on.” I say, “Well, we don’t really have the evidence yet,” and they’ll say to me, “Can you tell me that that’s not possible?” And I sit there and I say, “No, I actually can’t tell you that’s not possible,” because the next thing they’ll say to me is, “What about the fact that the entire mainstream media apparatus lied for months about Officer Sicknick on January 6 being beaten to death with a fire extinguisher?”
BUCK: That fundamentally did not happen and would have been provable and just a matter of fact certainly within 48 hours of the initial incident. The guy died two days after the event actually happened. As we know, he died of a stroke, and yet the reporting on this was — you could just go back and see — he was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. “These were murderous insurrectionists!” That was a vicious and intentional lie. So when things like that happen — and that’s a matter of fact — and then people say to me a dozen FBI agents where there for the inception of the Whitmer plot and this is all about January 6.
CLAY: A dozen! A dozen, by the way. You know this better than most people. That’s a major effort.
BUCK: By the way, I meant “informants,” so if I’m explaining it right.
BUCK: A dozen informants, and people were basically being handled by FBI. Their handlers are FBI agents.
BUCK: From inception, this plot never really made sense. And note, they’re taking it to trial. Only one person has taken some kind of a plea. Everyone else is going to trial on this one. If you’re taking this kind of a thing to trial, unusually it means you think you’ve got a fighting chance ’cause otherwise the sentences are gonna be so severe. We’re getting to the point, Clay, where until there’s accountability for the lies…
The lies about Officer Sicknick being beaten to death. The media lied about that. The lack of willingness to tell us what happened to Ashli Babbitt, who shot her, and what the legal justification for it? Why can’t we see the surveillance footage from January 6th? Until we have answers to this, when people come to me and they have a theory, all I can say…
And that’s assuming I don’t agree. Sometimes I do; sometimes I don’t. But all I can say about some of these theories that they have is, “I can’t tell you you’re wrong just based on the faith you should have in the DOJ and the FBI, because I come from the CIA, and I have very little faith — whenever politics are involved — that you can trust these places.”
CLAY: And I think that speaks to the overall lack of trust in American institutions in general, which continues to decline. We talked earlier this week about the two least trusted groups in all of the country and (chuckles) what do you think’s involved here? Congress and the media were the two least trusted groups in the entire country by the masses.
I think one, Congress has a 12% approval rate according to recent Gallup poll, and the media has a 16% approval rate. Both of them are directly involved in January 6th, correct? And so when you look at situations like these, I can understand why people at a minimum want to point out the hypocrisy and certainly at an additional minimum don’t buy into face value explanations they’re having shared with them.